why the symbiansigned is often down?

[goodtaste]

Hardware problem? I need it everyday. My custom push me signing my software for them.

[wizard_hu_]

I would not expect that Forum Nokia has control over Symbiansigned...

[ltomuta]

I need it everyday. My custom push me signing my software for them.

Would you care elaborating on this subject? What is it that you sign every day and why?

[wizard_hu_]

Perhaps he uses DevCerts instead of release-signing.

[goodtaste]

yes, I apply TC-publisher certification and sign my application with it.
I know this forum can't control symbiansigned, but I hope there are some guy know symbiansigned

Thank you all, anyway

[ltomuta]

Perhaps he uses DevCerts instead of release-signing.

yes, I apply TC-publisher certification and sign my application with it.

Well, that would be bad, wouldn't it?

THIS AGREEMENT INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING IMPORTANT TERMS:
...
- You will only use Developer Certificates for your own development and testing purposes. ...

or

...
14.3. You shall only use Developer Certificates and Open Signed Applications for development, evaluation and testing purposes." In particular, but without limitations, you shall not commercially distribute Open Signed Applications. ...

[enstedt]

As Rod pointed out in Symbian Devnet, http://developer.symbian.com/forum/t...23882&tstart=0, there is a huge load of request coming in every day. And the system is loaded by the requests that are not supposed to be there. This is the reason why it's down, ie. flooded by the requests that are not qualified by the terms and conditions, as ltomuta already pointed out.

Valtteri

[phonegnome]

As Rod pointed out in Symbian Devnet, http://developer.symbian.com/forum/t...23882&tstart=0, there is a huge load of request coming in every day. And the system is loaded by the requests that are not supposed to be there. This is the reason why it's down, ie. flooded by the requests that are not qualified by the terms and conditions, as ltomuta already pointed out.

Valtteri

Ok, I'm sorry, but that that is a total BS argument.

Nokia created the situation for themselves by not providing a practical mechanism for freeware developers and by removing the end user's option to choose to take the risk associated with installing "untrusted" apps.

These "requests that are not supposed to be there" are there because end-users clearly are willing to take the risk associated with installing these apps. They will go so far as getting a devcert and signing the apps themselves - that's how bad they want the functionality provided by these "untrusted" apps. So why make it so hard for them to install the app? Nokia would not be flooded with these "requests that are not supposed to be there" if they simply fixed the root problem. It's not the developer's or the end-user's fault - it's Nokia's and only they have the power to fix it.

[antonypr]

This is an interesting discussion. What do you mean by the "root cause of the problem"? What is your proposal for fixing it?


Personally, I am one of the independent developers who got hit by recent changes at Symbian Signed.

At the very beginning (~2 years ago), Symbian Signed was not that bad from developer's point of view. We can request developer certificate easily. We can even submit freeware apps to them for public distribution. Although it took 3-4 weeks; but it was okay.

Unfortunately, the situation is very different now. Symbian Signed Route for freeware is more or less dead now. Many developers are releasing unsigned version of their applications. This leads the end users to request for developer certificate (which violates the term and condition).

I agree with phonegnome that many end users are desperate to install their favorite application but couldn't do it. For example, see comment section of my blog posting at S60Tips.com, http://www.s60tips.com/2007/11/14/co...for-nokia-n95/

I can feel how desperate they are...

What Symbian has done now is avoiding their developer certificate to be used for something else than development/testing. That's why they introduce the controversial Open Signing Online -> which currently online during GMT timezone only.

Unfortunately, this has caused pains for "real" developers.

There were a lot of discussions already at Symbian Signed Discussion Board (http://developer.symbian.com/forum/forum.jspa?forumID=2) on how to solve this problem. I think it's better if you raise your concern there. I don't think Forum Nokia can help that much.